Okay, if we're going to make an issue of the Unseen here, it's fair enough to a) explain ourselves clearly, and b) make sure everyone knows what's seen and what's unseen.

In short, there have been two waves of Unseen. The first wave involves designs which appeared in the original Battledroids game, and also in the original TRO:3025. These images had all be derived (more or less) from mecha featured in Japanese anime series such as Macross, Dougram and Crusher Joe. Due to legal action taken in the 90s, FASA (the creators of the game) agreed to drop all images of these 'Mechs from all their official publications. Some additional designs from TRO: 3055 (several of the Clan second line IICs derived from such designs) were also covered by this restriction. These are:

Locust
Stinger
Wasp
Valkyrie
Phoenix Hawk
Shadow Hawk
Griffin
Scorpion
Wolverine
Rifleman
Ostscout / Ostroc / Ostsol
Thunderbolt
Crusader
Warhammer
Archer
Marauder
Goliath
Battlemaster
Longbow
Marauder II

Stinger LAM
Wasp LAM
Phoenix Hawk LAM

Samurai ASF


TRO 3055:
Locust IIC
Jenner IIC
Griffin IIC
Shadow Hawk IIC
Rifleman IIC
Phoenix Hawk IIC
Warhammer IIC
Marauder IIC

(and yes, we know the Jenner IIC wasn't inspired by other sources, but when all the IICs of that era got withdrawn, it was presumably easier for FASA to pull it as well.)

The second wave of Unseen come from a realisation last year that FanPro was exposed to similar potential problems, as several other of the designs in TROs 3055, and some from TRO: 3058, had been done by an outside company (Victor Musical Industries), and that FanPro didn't control those images legally. Accordingly, the original images of these designs are now also Unseen:

TRO 3055:
Hellhound
Galahad
Baboon
Kraken
Goshawk
Viper
Behemoth
Vixen

TRO 3058:
Raijin
Grand Crusader
Nexus

Now the Reseen are artistic versions of the original designs which are wholly original and controlled by FASA. The 3025 & IIC Unseens gained new life in TRO: Project Phoenix. The remaining ones have now been redrawn for TRO:3055 Upgraded, which is now released.

What does all this mean? In short ...

1) You may freely put up pictures of any minis you own, be they Unseen, Reseen, plastic model kits or gnawed out of cakes of soap by trained hamsters. The more the merrier! (Btw, posting pictures of minis you don't own, without permission from their owner, is not a good thing. I only include this, as there are unscrupulous people who used to use images taken from other people's work in eBat auctions to try & fool unsuspecting buyers - that's the only reason I mention this aspect)

2) You may also put up pictures of any Reseen minis that you own or have permission for.

3) You may not post images taken from any publication which depict any of the Unseen, or the source material from which they werre drawn. So no Dougram Bigfoots or Macross Valkyries, or scans from the original TROs. This also includes any artwork which substantially includes components taken directly from such artwork. This also includes related images - eg. don't post document images of the Tequila Gunner from Dougram (6-legged Goliath anyone?), the Destroid MAC III, etc - leave well enough alone, please.

4) You may post links to web pages or illustrations which show images covered above. (One can only assume that lawyers understand the net difference. Hey, we're just looking to stay out of trouble)

Hopefully, that covers the questions. Note:

a) I'm happy to answer questions on "is this legit" - but as for the "why & wherefore", or "who do I shoot" ones, look for the rehashes of the subject in the General Discussions forum.

b) Being CBT, there's probably going to be errata to the above - please PM me with any errors you notice, I'll retcon them in in finest TPTB style

Cheers,

W.

The Galleon is a strange animal, it keeps appearing in new publications despite the Crusher Joe knockoff.  I know the miniature is OOP by a long shot, but TROs 3058 and 3058:U both have the Galleon present.  It wasn't a Project Phoenix unit either.  Perhaps the miniature is unseen, but the artwork that keeps being used isn't?

Hey, where are the LAMs on that list?

what page in TRO Projest Phoenix is the Jenner IIC on? it isn't in here.  is there an updated version of ot of is the Jenner IIC in the TRO3055 updates book?

Just curious but where did the Scorpion image come from that got it tagged as Unseen ?

Just curious but where did the Scorpion image come from that got it tagged as Unseen ?

So,
Are there any list of OOP Minis? BattleMech, vehicles, etc...

So, wait, if the Jenner IIC image/mini from the original TR3055 is Unseen, how is IWM able to sell both the old and the PP mini for it? 

I recently bought a load of second hand mechs.
Most are lead. And most are on those lists.
Is it possible I have some of these Unseen?
I unfortunately don't have a digi cam, but my brother does I'll nag him into letting me use it.
Would you lot be able to tell if they were?
BTW They don't look as old as the one in the above photo

Cheers

I saw a note on another post that warned of putting stuff up about the unseen - prob to do with legal rights. But is ok to put photographs of the mechs up?

As the good Colonel says, photos of any minis or toys you own are 100% fine. It's the artwork - either from the original animes, or from earlier CBT books - which we can't show. You can put up a link to such images, but can't show the images directly here.

W.

There's a two-part answer:

a) FASA thought it had the rights; it turns out the company they were dealing with didn't have the right to pass on the rights, as it were. This didn't help their eventual permission.